{"id":149,"date":"2008-05-24T01:53:26","date_gmt":"2008-05-23T23:53:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.ultimatefatburner.com\/wordpress\/lemons-into-lemonaide-a-lesson-in-critical-thinking\/"},"modified":"2015-02-12T21:05:32","modified_gmt":"2015-02-13T02:05:32","slug":"lemons-into-lemonaide-a-lesson-in-critical-thinking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ultimatefatburner.com\/ufb-blog\/lemons-into-lemonaide-a-lesson-in-critical-thinking\/","title":{"rendered":"Lemons Into Lemonaide: A Lesson In Critical Thinking!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday I received a particularly nasty e-mail from an extremely irate visitor. It wasn&#8217;t anything I haven&#8217;t seen a zillion times before &#8212; the e-mail contained accusations of misleading the general public; it called me a liar (several times), and it used &#8220;UltimateFatBurner.com&#8221; in conjunction with the word &#8220;bullsh*t&#8221; several times.<\/p>\n<p>Frankly, e-mails like this aren&#8217;t that uncommon. Sometimes, people get a little defensive when you &#8220;burst their\u00a0bubbles&#8221; and explain &#8212; however gently, that what they believe has no basis in fact. So why am I bringing it up? Well&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>My first inclination upon reading this complete load of tripe was to simply delete it. The e-mail address did not appear to be genuine\u00a0and I have a hard time taking\u00a0criticism from anyone who does not have the strength of\u00a0conviction to post his\/her\u00a0real name and e-mail address to such comments. And since this seemed like more of a rant than anything else, it did not seem worthwhile to address any of the issues outlined since it\u00a0seemed highly unlikely that I could\u00a0dissuade this individual from her various conclusions. \u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Within a few moments however, I got to reflecting upon the discussions Elissa and I have had about critical thinking &#8212; specifically,\u00a0the relative\u00a0lack of it &#8212; especially when it pertains to diet products. This irate e-mail was a fantastic example of &#8220;non-critical&#8221; thinking. For instance&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>When this person found that I disagreed with her preconceived notions\u00a0of several elements of nutrition and diet advice\u00a0and a couple of products to boot, she responded by calling me a liar. Again, not a big deal here &#8212; this happens often enough. What baffles me is that&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>a) She seems to be willing to accept the word of those who support her position, despite the fact that these people&#8217;s positions are not supported by any real, scientific evidence.<\/p>\n<p>b) She seems to be\u00a0unable to comprehend that for either myself or Elissa\u00a0to be able to\u00a0make an authoritative statement about something,\u00a0we need something other than &#8220;fairy dust&#8221; or &#8220;communications with the dead&#8221; to base\u00a0our assumptions.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, when either Elissa or I make statements on this web site, you&#8217;ll see the appropriate clinical reference that backs up our conclusion. Neither I or Elissa expect you to believe\u00a0what we say\u00a0just because we&#8217;re the people behind\u00a0the words on UltimateFatBurner.com. The clinical references\u00a0are there so you can verify for yourself that we&#8217;re not simply pulling this stuff out of thin air.<\/p>\n<p>One of\u00a0my statements\u00a0that so\u00a0enraged my guest was&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;A high protein diet is dangerous? There&#8217;s isn&#8217;t a single medical study indicating this the case.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Again I was called a liar, and told there were hundreds of studies demonstrating a high protein diet (she didn&#8217;t define what constituted &#8220;high&#8221; exactly)\u00a0is extremely dangerous (my visitor didn&#8217;t actually point me to these mysterious studies, however. Apparently using the word &#8220;studies&#8221; in a sentence is enough to validate any claim!).<\/p>\n<p>But here&#8217;s the thing&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t come to the conclusion I did just to be obstinate and to ruin some-one&#8217;s day. Like everyone else, I too had heard that consuming too much protein was dangerous &#8212; but I&#8217;d never seen any actual proof. If the comment came from a registered dietitian or nutritionist, that seemed to be enough for most people.<\/p>\n<p>Anyhow, when I did the research, I didn&#8217;t find any evidence that an increased protein intake posed any dangers to &#8220;normal&#8221; individuals not suffering from renal disease. In fact, I found the contrary (see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/16174292\" rel=\"noopener\">Nutr Metab (Lond). 2005 Sep 20;2:25<\/a>)&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230;we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One review (<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/17369718?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&amp;linkpos=3&amp;log$=relatedarticles&amp;logdbfrom=pubmed\" rel=\"noopener\">Contrib Nephrol. 2007;155:102-12<\/a>) proposed&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230; that the concept that protein restricted diets decrease the risk of developing kidney disease in the general population is not supported by the scientific literature.<\/p>\n<p>This one, which investigates a higher level of protein intake for athletes\u00a0(see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/17213878?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&amp;linkpos=1&amp;log$=relatedarticles&amp;logdbfrom=pubmed\" rel=\"noopener\">Appl Physiol Nutr Metab. 2006 Dec;31(6):647-54<\/a>) indicated&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230;that higher protein diets have quite consistently been shown to result in greater weight loss, greater fat loss, and preservation of lean mass as compared with &#8220;lower&#8221; protein diets.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>There was no mention of decreased kidney function or other less beneficial results.<\/p>\n<p>This one (see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/15558517?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&amp;linkpos=2&amp;log$=relatedarticles&amp;logdbfrom=pubmed\" rel=\"noopener\">Am J Kidney Dis. 2004 Dec;44(6):950-62<\/a>) discussing the possibility of a high protein diet on kidney function states&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230;although there are no clear renal-related contraindications to HP (high protein) diets in individuals with healthy kidney function, the theoretical risks should be reviewed carefully with the patient.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s upon this information that I based my statement. Had I found studies to the contrary, I would have come to a completely different conclusion. This is not being &#8220;pro&#8221; or &#8220;con&#8221; protein&#8230; it&#8217;s simply reporting the facts (6-10,000 years ago, before humans learned the basics of agriculture, we were hunter-gatherers. If you happened to live in a northern climate, your consumption of fruits and vegetables and roots would be\u00a0limited by the short growing season &#8212; there would be no veggies tracked in from California in winter\u00a0&#8212; and you&#8217;d be competing with birds and other animals for a limited supply of the stuff. Basically if you didn&#8217;t eat protein and fat &#8212; from fish and game &#8212; you didn&#8217;t survive. And if consuming more than the US RDA of protein were really all that dangerous, we certainly wouldn&#8217;t be here today!).<\/p>\n<p>Of course, there are issues when increased protein is NOT a good thing &#8212; anyone with less than optimal kidney function needs to be concerned about increasing their protein intake without first consulting with a medical professional. And as Elissa <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ultimatefatburner.com\/ufb-blog\/acid-base-balance-myths-and-realities\/\">points out in this blog post<\/a>, diets rich in cereals\/grains, animal proteins, and salt\u00a0(like the typical North American diet) can condition known as chronic metabolic acidosis (CMA).\u00a0That aside, the available evidence indicates\u00a0an elevated protein consumption is not dangerous. \u00a0<\/p>\n<p>How can it be then, that I am a liar, misleading my audience and leading the dieting world astray?<\/p>\n<p>Critical thinking\u00a0may be difficult on occasion, because it can threaten what you hold near and dear.<\/p>\n<p>And that goes for me too &#8212; I have to be willing to revise my conclusions, should someone be able to provide compelling data that refutes any one of my conclusions. And yes&#8230; I welcome that. In fact, when anyone writes me to disagree about some review or another, I always say the same thing&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Sure, I&#8217;d love to revise my article top include any relevant clinical data which I may have missed. Just send it along.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes they do. Occasionally there is a\u00a0brand new study that isn&#8217;t widely available yet, sometimes I miss something &#8212; heck, I&#8217;m only human &#8212; but the bottom line is, I have to be willing to accept and present contradicting evidence (and it needs to be evidence mind you) should it exist.<\/p>\n<p>Anyhow, if you&#8217;re still with me, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m getting at&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to the supplement world, all critical thinking really means is that you must take everything with a grain of salt, evaluating every &#8220;statement&#8221; for credibility and truth. There are, of course, numerous reasons why any one will maintain any position. The most obvious is to sell you something. So always ask yourself, especially when a definitive statement is made&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>1) Upon what information is this based?<\/p>\n<p>2) Is the author using his\/her credentials to make sweeping claims without the appropriate references? Plenty of people are willing to believe anything if its presented by a doctor, or\u00a0a medical or nutritional professional.<\/p>\n<p>3) If clinical references are used, are they relevant? Are they performed and published in western journals? Is there a large body of work that corroborate the author&#8217;s conclusion&#8217;s or simply a few (even a single) small studies?<\/p>\n<p>4) Does the author &#8220;cherry-pick&#8221; select references to support his\/her conclusions, while ignoring ones that present contradictory evidence?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0As you see, critical thinking is\u00a0a lot more work too, since you really need to dig to see if you can find any real information that supports one conclusion or another.<\/p>\n<p>But in order to make informed decisions and have a valid opinion, it needs to be done.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday I received a particularly nasty e-mail from an extremely irate visitor. 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